1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,550 [Music] 2 00:00:16,840 --> 00:00:09,190 welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast 3 00:00:16,850 --> 00:00:23,750 [Music] 4 00:00:28,470 --> 00:00:25,589 yes it's the skeptic's own podcast 5 00:00:31,189 --> 00:00:28,480 episode number 713 6 00:00:34,549 --> 00:00:31,199 not unlucky for me or you for the 5th of 7 00:00:38,709 --> 00:00:34,559 june 2022 richard saunders coming to you 8 00:00:41,430 --> 00:00:38,719 from windy cold sunny cloudy 9 00:00:44,069 --> 00:00:41,440 no rain today sydney australia coming up 10 00:00:46,229 --> 00:00:44,079 on this week's show join me and 11 00:00:48,790 --> 00:00:46,239 skeptical friend daryl cahoon 12 00:00:50,069 --> 00:00:48,800 as we once more venture into the 13 00:00:53,590 --> 00:00:50,079 craziness 14 00:00:55,990 --> 00:00:53,600 the bizarre world of mind body wallet 15 00:00:57,350 --> 00:00:56,000 otherwise known as mind body spirit the 16 00:00:59,910 --> 00:00:57,360 frequent 17 00:01:01,990 --> 00:00:59,920 new age festival fair 18 00:01:03,910 --> 00:01:02,000 and marketing opportunity 19 00:01:05,990 --> 00:01:03,920 here in sydney and it's a bit of a 20 00:01:07,350 --> 00:01:06,000 traveling circus it'll pop up in other 21 00:01:09,429 --> 00:01:07,360 capital cities 22 00:01:12,149 --> 00:01:09,439 around the country as well mind body 23 00:01:15,270 --> 00:01:12,159 wallet once again what do we discover 24 00:01:18,230 --> 00:01:15,280 this year no end of crystals 25 00:01:20,469 --> 00:01:18,240 psychics and so on following that it's 26 00:01:22,469 --> 00:01:20,479 the australian skeptic's newsletter by 27 00:01:25,270 --> 00:01:22,479 tim mendham red 28 00:01:28,469 --> 00:01:25,280 as per normal except when she doesn't do 29 00:01:30,630 --> 00:01:28,479 it by adrian hill in canada 30 00:01:33,350 --> 00:01:30,640 the other week we had her son 31 00:01:35,749 --> 00:01:33,360 troy hill reading it and he did very 32 00:01:37,190 --> 00:01:35,759 well we'll have him back again i hope 33 00:01:39,990 --> 00:01:37,200 then to round off the show it's our 34 00:01:42,710 --> 00:01:40,000 trove segment looking at digital 35 00:01:45,670 --> 00:01:42,720 archives of newspapers and this week 36 00:01:47,749 --> 00:01:45,680 a very strange report from some time ago 37 00:01:50,469 --> 00:01:47,759 about a school 38 00:01:52,389 --> 00:01:50,479 a lesson a 39 00:01:55,830 --> 00:01:52,399 learning opportunity for students to 40 00:01:58,230 --> 00:01:55,840 learn all about water divining 41 00:02:00,230 --> 00:01:58,240 and a big shout out to those people who 42 00:02:02,789 --> 00:02:00,240 are not feeling so well who are 43 00:02:05,030 --> 00:02:02,799 recovering from not only covert but from 44 00:02:08,229 --> 00:02:05,040 colds and flus and everything like that 45 00:02:10,309 --> 00:02:08,239 the flu season this year is not kind to 46 00:02:12,390 --> 00:02:10,319 anybody so if you've been under the 47 00:02:14,869 --> 00:02:12,400 weather lately you know i'm thinking 48 00:02:16,470 --> 00:02:14,879 about you get well soon 49 00:02:18,070 --> 00:02:16,480 but now it's time for me to run 50 00:02:19,990 --> 00:02:18,080 downstairs 51 00:02:21,510 --> 00:02:20,000 carefully and quietly open the fridge 52 00:02:23,670 --> 00:02:21,520 because as soon as i go anywhere near 53 00:02:27,030 --> 00:02:23,680 the fridge i have got two cats suddenly 54 00:02:29,190 --> 00:02:27,040 appear at my feet as if by magic 55 00:02:32,229 --> 00:02:29,200 and make myself some scrambled eggs on 56 00:02:49,550 --> 00:02:32,239 toast while i do that i hope you enjoy 57 00:02:55,110 --> 00:02:52,550 [Music] 58 00:02:57,190 --> 00:02:55,120 in late may 2022 59 00:02:58,630 --> 00:02:57,200 i together with supporter and listener 60 00:03:00,949 --> 00:02:58,640 daryl cahoon 61 00:03:04,790 --> 00:03:00,959 ventured once more unto the breach once 62 00:03:07,430 --> 00:03:04,800 more unto the spirit of mind body wallet 63 00:03:09,110 --> 00:03:07,440 or of course as it's officially known 64 00:03:10,149 --> 00:03:09,120 mind body 65 00:03:12,149 --> 00:03:10,159 spirit 66 00:03:13,750 --> 00:03:12,159 now long time listeners well know that 67 00:03:15,670 --> 00:03:13,760 this is something i've been doing for 68 00:03:17,509 --> 00:03:15,680 many years every time i have the 69 00:03:18,949 --> 00:03:17,519 opportunity i will go to a new age 70 00:03:20,470 --> 00:03:18,959 festival 71 00:03:22,229 --> 00:03:20,480 walk around 72 00:03:24,149 --> 00:03:22,239 see what's on display 73 00:03:24,949 --> 00:03:24,159 and most importantly 74 00:03:26,789 --> 00:03:24,959 ask 75 00:03:28,949 --> 00:03:26,799 questions 76 00:03:30,229 --> 00:03:28,959 now to be honest over the years i've 77 00:03:33,830 --> 00:03:30,239 learned a certain 78 00:03:35,750 --> 00:03:33,840 amount of things about what's on offer 79 00:03:37,589 --> 00:03:35,760 and maybe more importantly about human 80 00:03:39,830 --> 00:03:37,599 psychology 81 00:03:42,390 --> 00:03:39,840 but uh one of the main motivations of 82 00:03:44,390 --> 00:03:42,400 going back again and again and again 83 00:03:48,710 --> 00:03:44,400 is to keep an eye out 84 00:03:51,350 --> 00:03:48,720 for obvious shocks scams cons 85 00:03:53,030 --> 00:03:51,360 and dangerous health products 86 00:03:55,830 --> 00:03:53,040 now in the past i've 87 00:03:57,750 --> 00:03:55,840 come across stalls selling devices which 88 00:03:59,190 --> 00:03:57,760 promised to turn 89 00:04:02,070 --> 00:03:59,200 tap water 90 00:04:03,110 --> 00:04:02,080 into sunblock for example or people 91 00:04:06,149 --> 00:04:03,120 claiming 92 00:04:08,470 --> 00:04:06,159 their potion can cure cancer 93 00:04:10,789 --> 00:04:08,480 or indeed magical machines based on 94 00:04:14,229 --> 00:04:10,799 headphones and laptops which could not 95 00:04:16,710 --> 00:04:14,239 only diagnose your bodily conditions 96 00:04:19,670 --> 00:04:16,720 down to the level of dna 97 00:04:22,230 --> 00:04:19,680 but also send zapping vibrations back 98 00:04:24,070 --> 00:04:22,240 through those headphones to zap viruses 99 00:04:26,469 --> 00:04:24,080 and bugs 100 00:04:29,430 --> 00:04:26,479 and make homeopathic preparation while 101 00:04:32,629 --> 00:04:29,440 you wait and indeed that particular 102 00:04:34,870 --> 00:04:32,639 device that particular machine i've seen 103 00:04:37,350 --> 00:04:34,880 in years past wasn't there this time 104 00:04:43,670 --> 00:04:40,870 i read from the official handbook the 105 00:04:46,629 --> 00:04:43,680 guide given to us for free when we 106 00:04:50,150 --> 00:04:46,639 entered mind body spirit welcome to the 107 00:04:51,990 --> 00:04:50,160 sydney mind body spirit festival 108 00:04:53,990 --> 00:04:52,000 and by the way they write mind body 109 00:04:56,310 --> 00:04:54,000 spirit as one word 110 00:04:59,670 --> 00:04:56,320 we're thrilled to embark on the year 111 00:05:01,990 --> 00:04:59,680 2022 with you and can't wait for you to 112 00:05:03,670 --> 00:05:02,000 enjoy everything we have to offer for 113 00:05:04,870 --> 00:05:03,680 the next three days of 114 00:05:06,710 --> 00:05:04,880 self-love 115 00:05:09,110 --> 00:05:06,720 well-being health 116 00:05:11,670 --> 00:05:09,120 and spirituality 117 00:05:14,629 --> 00:05:11,680 from our magnificent stage performers 118 00:05:17,590 --> 00:05:14,639 guest speakers fulfilling seminars to 119 00:05:20,469 --> 00:05:17,600 shopping psychic readings and natural 120 00:05:22,150 --> 00:05:20,479 therapies we know you'll enjoy all of 121 00:05:25,270 --> 00:05:22,160 the festivities 122 00:05:28,550 --> 00:05:25,280 the festival cannot exist without you 123 00:05:30,790 --> 00:05:28,560 to our beautiful visitors exhibitors 124 00:05:32,790 --> 00:05:30,800 guest speakers and performers 125 00:05:36,310 --> 00:05:32,800 we thank you for being an ongoing part 126 00:05:41,909 --> 00:05:36,320 of our incredible festival family 127 00:05:42,870 --> 00:05:41,919 with love the mbs festival team xx 128 00:05:45,029 --> 00:05:42,880 heart 129 00:05:47,430 --> 00:05:45,039 and it goes on to say main stage 130 00:05:49,909 --> 00:05:47,440 performers artists musicians psychic 131 00:05:51,510 --> 00:05:49,919 mediums and dancers it's all here at the 132 00:05:53,909 --> 00:05:51,520 main stage 133 00:05:56,070 --> 00:05:53,919 seminar room and speakers lounge be 134 00:05:57,830 --> 00:05:56,080 inspired whether you're looking for some 135 00:06:00,230 --> 00:05:57,840 health tips well-being advice 136 00:06:02,950 --> 00:06:00,240 self-improvement or guidance you'll hear 137 00:06:04,950 --> 00:06:02,960 from some incredible guest speakers 138 00:06:08,390 --> 00:06:04,960 in the seminar room 139 00:06:09,870 --> 00:06:08,400 soul kitchen health foodies rejoice 140 00:06:12,150 --> 00:06:09,880 learn how to detox 141 00:06:14,309 --> 00:06:12,160 [Music] 142 00:06:17,029 --> 00:06:14,319 cook for your body look after your 143 00:06:19,430 --> 00:06:17,039 health and so much more 144 00:06:21,909 --> 00:06:19,440 whether you're a master chef or 145 00:06:25,110 --> 00:06:21,919 disaster chef the soul kitchen stage 146 00:06:26,390 --> 00:06:25,120 will help flourish and nourish 147 00:06:28,150 --> 00:06:26,400 and of course 148 00:06:29,990 --> 00:06:28,160 psychic reading room 149 00:06:30,950 --> 00:06:30,000 looking for that insight into your 150 00:06:33,350 --> 00:06:30,960 future 151 00:06:35,909 --> 00:06:33,360 from love relationships career or 152 00:06:38,309 --> 00:06:35,919 finances hear from the best in tarot 153 00:06:39,270 --> 00:06:38,319 clairvoyance mediums and astrologers and 154 00:06:41,909 --> 00:06:39,280 more 155 00:06:44,790 --> 00:06:41,919 avoid disappointment by booking your 25 156 00:06:46,710 --> 00:06:44,800 or 50 minute session at the reading room 157 00:06:48,390 --> 00:06:46,720 as soon as you arrive 158 00:06:49,589 --> 00:06:48,400 please note this is a cash-only 159 00:06:52,710 --> 00:06:49,599 experience 160 00:06:54,150 --> 00:06:52,720 atms are located throughout the festival 161 00:06:55,749 --> 00:06:54,160 well that's handy 162 00:06:57,430 --> 00:06:55,759 and some of these sessions that were 163 00:06:59,350 --> 00:06:57,440 available in the seminar room for 164 00:07:02,070 --> 00:06:59,360 example over the 165 00:07:03,270 --> 00:07:02,080 one two three four days of mind-body 166 00:07:06,150 --> 00:07:03,280 wallet 167 00:07:10,070 --> 00:07:06,160 build your empire from the inside out 168 00:07:12,309 --> 00:07:10,080 how to merge spirituality and business 169 00:07:14,830 --> 00:07:12,319 or we have another session 170 00:07:18,629 --> 00:07:14,840 insights and healing through past life 171 00:07:20,070 --> 00:07:18,639 regression spirit show how to connect to 172 00:07:21,990 --> 00:07:20,080 your guide 173 00:07:24,070 --> 00:07:22,000 and angel helpers 174 00:07:25,430 --> 00:07:24,080 there was also explaining the law of 175 00:07:26,469 --> 00:07:25,440 attraction 176 00:07:29,990 --> 00:07:26,479 or 177 00:07:31,350 --> 00:07:30,000 how about how to receive signs from the 178 00:07:33,909 --> 00:07:31,360 universe 179 00:07:36,230 --> 00:07:33,919 and there was a lucky door prize valued 180 00:07:38,550 --> 00:07:36,240 at over 1 500 181 00:07:41,189 --> 00:07:38,560 win a master set of aromatherapy 182 00:07:44,150 --> 00:07:41,199 essential oils 183 00:07:45,909 --> 00:07:44,160 so with all that enticement how could i 184 00:07:48,710 --> 00:07:45,919 resist going 185 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:48,720 i caught up with daryl cahoon as we made 186 00:07:56,230 --> 00:07:50,210 our way to the festival 187 00:07:59,670 --> 00:07:56,240 [Music] 188 00:08:02,869 --> 00:07:59,680 it's sunday the 29th of may 2022 i'm 189 00:08:05,110 --> 00:08:02,879 down here at darling harbour in sydney i 190 00:08:07,990 --> 00:08:05,120 just caught the tram 191 00:08:10,710 --> 00:08:08,000 the light rail system in and 192 00:08:12,869 --> 00:08:10,720 blowing me down who did i bump into on 193 00:08:15,029 --> 00:08:12,879 the tram it's dara cahoon hello daryl 194 00:08:16,469 --> 00:08:15,039 g'day hi there richard and well i mean 195 00:08:17,670 --> 00:08:16,479 it's no surprise i bumped into you 196 00:08:19,110 --> 00:08:17,680 because we've 197 00:08:21,589 --> 00:08:19,120 agreed to meet up here today because 198 00:08:23,589 --> 00:08:21,599 we're off oh yes oh yes we're off to 199 00:08:24,390 --> 00:08:23,599 mind body spirit or as we love to call 200 00:08:27,270 --> 00:08:24,400 it 201 00:08:29,510 --> 00:08:27,280 mind body wallet the uh 202 00:08:31,909 --> 00:08:29,520 the every six months it comes around 203 00:08:33,350 --> 00:08:31,919 and you and i usually meet up here we 204 00:08:35,990 --> 00:08:33,360 often do yes 205 00:08:37,829 --> 00:08:36,000 and let's see what's new see what's old 206 00:08:39,350 --> 00:08:37,839 well lots of yeah that's actually you 207 00:08:41,029 --> 00:08:39,360 make a good point because over the years 208 00:08:42,709 --> 00:08:41,039 i've been coming to this spirit festival 209 00:08:45,110 --> 00:08:42,719 of psychics and 210 00:08:46,710 --> 00:08:45,120 questionable products to say the least 211 00:08:49,190 --> 00:08:46,720 i often think of that line from star 212 00:08:50,870 --> 00:08:49,200 wars you know obi-wan when looking at 213 00:08:52,310 --> 00:08:50,880 mos eisley 214 00:08:55,590 --> 00:08:52,320 you remember that he says you'll never 215 00:08:58,949 --> 00:08:55,600 fight or you'll never find a uh 216 00:09:01,350 --> 00:08:58,959 now i can't remember the line uh 217 00:09:03,350 --> 00:09:01,360 something about scum and villainry and 218 00:09:04,710 --> 00:09:03,360 a hive of scum and villainy he says 219 00:09:06,389 --> 00:09:04,720 something like that 220 00:09:08,070 --> 00:09:06,399 and maybe i'm being a bit mean there are 221 00:09:09,430 --> 00:09:08,080 a lot of good hearted people there but 222 00:09:11,190 --> 00:09:09,440 there are certainly some shonks and 223 00:09:13,829 --> 00:09:11,200 cranks i think there are some chunks and 224 00:09:15,670 --> 00:09:13,839 cranks and 225 00:09:17,910 --> 00:09:15,680 but i particularly remember the the 226 00:09:19,110 --> 00:09:17,920 store from last year that was selling uh 227 00:09:20,870 --> 00:09:19,120 an image of 228 00:09:23,590 --> 00:09:20,880 the moon was it or the sky at the date 229 00:09:27,350 --> 00:09:23,600 of your at any nominated date perfectly 230 00:09:29,750 --> 00:09:27,360 legitimate perfectly respectable um 231 00:09:31,110 --> 00:09:29,760 for somebody who wants such a thing um 232 00:09:32,550 --> 00:09:31,120 and they're not alone some of the stuff 233 00:09:34,150 --> 00:09:32,560 they sell there is 234 00:09:36,389 --> 00:09:34,160 perfectly perfectly reasonable 235 00:09:38,070 --> 00:09:36,399 respectable material i've 236 00:09:39,430 --> 00:09:38,080 over the years there i've purchased a 237 00:09:41,990 --> 00:09:39,440 lot of things like 238 00:09:43,990 --> 00:09:42,000 lovely hot sauces for some reason they 239 00:09:45,269 --> 00:09:44,000 tend to be there or 240 00:09:47,670 --> 00:09:45,279 products every now and then which are 241 00:09:49,110 --> 00:09:47,680 fun and good and interesting but they're 242 00:09:51,509 --> 00:09:49,120 indispersed with 243 00:09:53,190 --> 00:09:51,519 every year people who either know full 244 00:09:54,710 --> 00:09:53,200 well their claims the medical claims 245 00:09:57,350 --> 00:09:54,720 they're making are bogus or people who 246 00:09:59,430 --> 00:09:57,360 sincerely really think because they've 247 00:10:01,509 --> 00:09:59,440 been told by the guru or the mystic or 248 00:10:03,190 --> 00:10:01,519 the guy in california who's been 249 00:10:04,949 --> 00:10:03,200 flogging this potion 250 00:10:06,389 --> 00:10:04,959 uh that it really works and i'm sure 251 00:10:09,190 --> 00:10:06,399 that's exactly what we'll find again 252 00:10:10,949 --> 00:10:09,200 today i think we will yep california 253 00:10:11,990 --> 00:10:10,959 they seem to be that's where they come 254 00:10:13,190 --> 00:10:12,000 from 255 00:10:14,630 --> 00:10:13,200 it's it's a wonderful day here in 256 00:10:16,069 --> 00:10:14,640 darling harbour we're just walking down 257 00:10:17,350 --> 00:10:16,079 the harbour side 258 00:10:19,030 --> 00:10:17,360 lots of new buildings that's a new 259 00:10:20,710 --> 00:10:19,040 building that huge giant building with a 260 00:10:22,870 --> 00:10:20,720 w on it that used to be where the imax 261 00:10:24,630 --> 00:10:22,880 was yeah big curvy 262 00:10:26,069 --> 00:10:24,640 building i think it's a hotel now we 263 00:10:28,470 --> 00:10:26,079 have to explore it later and find out 264 00:10:30,310 --> 00:10:28,480 what it's not open yet but a new imax is 265 00:10:31,829 --> 00:10:30,320 going there we're just passing a giant 266 00:10:34,310 --> 00:10:31,839 ferris wheel here there are people sort 267 00:10:36,069 --> 00:10:34,320 of wandering around it's a great day 268 00:10:37,750 --> 00:10:36,079 to be out and about anyway we'll go 269 00:10:39,990 --> 00:10:37,760 around the corner down 270 00:10:43,430 --> 00:10:40,000 beside the water here 271 00:10:45,350 --> 00:10:43,440 and uh we'll dive into mind body wallet 272 00:10:52,790 --> 00:10:45,360 and who knows what we'll find 273 00:10:58,150 --> 00:10:55,190 we made our way to the convention centre 274 00:11:01,670 --> 00:10:58,160 only to discover a long queue of people 275 00:11:03,350 --> 00:11:01,680 waiting to get in once through the door 276 00:11:07,590 --> 00:11:03,360 we were presented 277 00:11:09,910 --> 00:11:07,600 with the wonder that is mind body spirit 278 00:11:11,990 --> 00:11:09,920 although this year not as big as 279 00:11:14,710 --> 00:11:12,000 previous years 280 00:11:15,710 --> 00:11:14,720 we made our way up the first row of 281 00:11:17,990 --> 00:11:15,720 stalls 282 00:11:20,150 --> 00:11:18,000 [Music] 283 00:11:21,990 --> 00:11:20,160 so daryl and i are actually in the mind 284 00:11:23,590 --> 00:11:22,000 body wallet we've got our masks on and 285 00:11:24,790 --> 00:11:23,600 we've gone down 286 00:11:26,550 --> 00:11:24,800 one aisle 287 00:11:28,949 --> 00:11:26,560 and we've seen crystals we've seen hemp 288 00:11:30,150 --> 00:11:28,959 products we've seen people supporting 289 00:11:32,069 --> 00:11:30,160 breast cancer which is a good thing 290 00:11:33,030 --> 00:11:32,079 there's always good things here 291 00:11:38,069 --> 00:11:33,040 and 292 00:11:41,269 --> 00:11:38,079 but i do you see anybody now in the 293 00:11:43,350 --> 00:11:41,279 150 people we can gaze at one blink 294 00:11:45,110 --> 00:11:43,360 wearing a mask no 295 00:11:46,550 --> 00:11:45,120 obviously coverts not going to end in my 296 00:11:48,069 --> 00:11:46,560 body wallet 297 00:11:49,829 --> 00:11:48,079 what do you think the ratio to men to 298 00:11:51,430 --> 00:11:49,839 women here would be what 90 percent 299 00:11:54,949 --> 00:11:51,440 women 10 percent 300 00:11:56,629 --> 00:11:54,959 i don't know that it's true actually 301 00:11:59,269 --> 00:11:56,639 looking around there's more men that i 302 00:12:01,269 --> 00:11:59,279 had expected maybe 80 yeah something 303 00:12:03,190 --> 00:12:01,279 like that and that's just that's just a 304 00:12:04,470 --> 00:12:03,200 factual comment it's just a statement of 305 00:12:06,790 --> 00:12:04,480 fact i'm not 306 00:12:09,110 --> 00:12:06,800 going anywhere anywhere at the moment 307 00:12:11,350 --> 00:12:09,120 the spiritual worry we've passed various 308 00:12:12,949 --> 00:12:11,360 psychic boobs 309 00:12:14,310 --> 00:12:12,959 with um 310 00:12:16,150 --> 00:12:14,320 we've got the world's most famous 311 00:12:17,670 --> 00:12:16,160 psychic the world's most famous world's 312 00:12:19,070 --> 00:12:17,680 most accurate side let's keep walking 313 00:12:20,629 --> 00:12:19,080 down and see what we find here 314 00:12:23,829 --> 00:12:20,639 [Music] 315 00:12:25,750 --> 00:12:23,839 book a 30-minute healing session here 316 00:12:27,350 --> 00:12:25,760 spiritual healer and mentor well there 317 00:12:29,829 --> 00:12:27,360 you go 318 00:12:31,590 --> 00:12:29,839 change starts here 319 00:12:33,110 --> 00:12:31,600 they're selling various soaps and 320 00:12:34,870 --> 00:12:33,120 candles 321 00:12:36,870 --> 00:12:34,880 massage chairs which are always a good 322 00:12:39,350 --> 00:12:36,880 thing 323 00:12:40,870 --> 00:12:39,360 we got outside wind decorations that 324 00:12:43,269 --> 00:12:40,880 sort of twirl and spin in the wind 325 00:12:46,870 --> 00:12:43,279 that's nice 326 00:12:48,949 --> 00:12:46,880 something called the spirit of life 327 00:12:51,110 --> 00:12:48,959 peace happiness courage love that sounds 328 00:12:53,030 --> 00:12:51,120 all very good 329 00:12:54,150 --> 00:12:53,040 uh a clothing store which looks very 330 00:12:56,790 --> 00:12:54,160 nice indeed 331 00:12:59,990 --> 00:12:56,800 lovely clothing there 332 00:13:04,829 --> 00:13:00,000 uh here's another psychic reading booth 333 00:13:10,389 --> 00:13:08,550 um they're not very happy unfortunately 334 00:13:14,470 --> 00:13:10,399 what's this one now 335 00:13:18,949 --> 00:13:16,310 daryl's just gone by to look at the aura 336 00:13:21,269 --> 00:13:18,959 and chakra scanning booth 337 00:13:22,150 --> 00:13:21,279 and he's asking questions 338 00:13:24,069 --> 00:13:22,160 which 339 00:13:25,590 --> 00:13:24,079 we found is the most effective thing you 340 00:13:27,910 --> 00:13:25,600 can do here 341 00:13:29,990 --> 00:13:27,920 simply go up to these booths selling 342 00:13:32,550 --> 00:13:30,000 magical nonsense and say what does it do 343 00:13:33,350 --> 00:13:32,560 how does it work and then 344 00:13:37,190 --> 00:13:33,360 the 345 00:13:39,590 --> 00:13:37,200 how 346 00:13:41,750 --> 00:13:39,600 their nonsense works 347 00:13:46,069 --> 00:13:41,760 we make our way through the crowded 348 00:13:51,030 --> 00:13:47,750 of course they were the usual products 349 00:13:52,710 --> 00:13:51,040 on offer good things nice yummy foods 350 00:13:54,069 --> 00:13:52,720 hot sauces 351 00:13:56,069 --> 00:13:54,079 perfumes 352 00:13:58,310 --> 00:13:56,079 interesting clothing 353 00:13:59,990 --> 00:13:58,320 decorations for your garden 354 00:14:02,870 --> 00:14:00,000 and some notable charities there 355 00:14:03,990 --> 00:14:02,880 represented too every year there's 356 00:14:06,230 --> 00:14:04,000 something 357 00:14:08,389 --> 00:14:06,240 a bit more bizarre than normal 358 00:14:10,710 --> 00:14:08,399 or maybe it just fits within the normal 359 00:14:12,629 --> 00:14:10,720 parameters of bazaar 360 00:14:15,110 --> 00:14:12,639 and this year's winner was a company 361 00:14:16,949 --> 00:14:15,120 called coastal clarity quantum healing 362 00:14:19,269 --> 00:14:16,959 from queensland 363 00:14:21,750 --> 00:14:19,279 and they were demonstrating the 364 00:14:22,870 --> 00:14:21,760 ao scanner 365 00:14:26,150 --> 00:14:22,880 now 366 00:14:27,670 --> 00:14:26,160 as told to us from the representative at 367 00:14:29,829 --> 00:14:27,680 the stall 368 00:14:32,069 --> 00:14:29,839 you speak into this device which 369 00:14:33,910 --> 00:14:32,079 presumably is on an iphone or an ipad or 370 00:14:35,030 --> 00:14:33,920 something like that it records your 371 00:14:41,110 --> 00:14:35,040 voice 372 00:14:42,550 --> 00:14:41,120 four octaves or notes that are 373 00:14:45,030 --> 00:14:42,560 out of balance 374 00:14:47,509 --> 00:14:45,040 it rebalances these notes 375 00:14:48,629 --> 00:14:47,519 creates mp3 files to which you listen 376 00:14:50,949 --> 00:14:48,639 back 377 00:14:54,629 --> 00:14:50,959 and quoting from the flyer given to us 378 00:14:57,590 --> 00:14:54,639 ayo scan programs body systems the body 379 00:15:00,230 --> 00:14:57,600 systems scan performs a complete and 380 00:15:02,949 --> 00:15:00,240 thorough scan of hundreds of blueprint 381 00:15:05,670 --> 00:15:02,959 frequencies associated with 13 body 382 00:15:07,030 --> 00:15:05,680 systems and performs an optimizing 383 00:15:08,790 --> 00:15:07,040 analysis 384 00:15:11,110 --> 00:15:08,800 this scan complements the results 385 00:15:13,990 --> 00:15:11,120 provided in the vitals and comprehensive 386 00:15:16,389 --> 00:15:14,000 scans to specifically highlight body 387 00:15:20,230 --> 00:15:16,399 systems that need support this scan 388 00:15:22,710 --> 00:15:20,240 generates a 27 page data report that 389 00:15:23,670 --> 00:15:22,720 includes specific analysis of each body 390 00:15:26,310 --> 00:15:23,680 system 391 00:15:28,790 --> 00:15:26,320 well if that's not making health claims 392 00:15:30,230 --> 00:15:28,800 then i don't know what it is 393 00:15:32,629 --> 00:15:30,240 however 394 00:15:34,150 --> 00:15:32,639 also on the flies given to us 395 00:15:37,269 --> 00:15:34,160 is the following 396 00:15:40,710 --> 00:15:37,279 can these scans show us proof about 397 00:15:43,110 --> 00:15:40,720 conditions question mark the ao scan is 398 00:15:45,990 --> 00:15:43,120 not sold as a medical device and cannot 399 00:15:48,470 --> 00:15:46,000 be used to treat or cure any condition 400 00:15:50,389 --> 00:15:48,480 it is however a great tool to find out 401 00:15:52,470 --> 00:15:50,399 more about your body and to help you 402 00:15:55,430 --> 00:15:52,480 understand your body better 403 00:15:58,389 --> 00:15:55,440 it can reveal what protocol or therapy 404 00:16:00,790 --> 00:15:58,399 is more therapeutic and what mineral 405 00:16:03,269 --> 00:16:00,800 vitamin or supplement appears more 406 00:16:07,509 --> 00:16:03,279 effective than another 407 00:16:10,310 --> 00:16:07,519 please note the ao scan mobile device is 408 00:16:13,350 --> 00:16:10,320 not in capital letters a medical device 409 00:16:14,550 --> 00:16:13,360 and does not diagnose treat or cure any 410 00:16:16,710 --> 00:16:14,560 disease 411 00:16:19,910 --> 00:16:16,720 and the contact details list somebody 412 00:16:23,030 --> 00:16:19,920 here from the outfit as being a quote 413 00:16:25,030 --> 00:16:23,040 frequency specialist end quote 414 00:16:26,949 --> 00:16:25,040 now despite their disclaimers that this 415 00:16:29,509 --> 00:16:26,959 product is not a medical device and does 416 00:16:31,030 --> 00:16:29,519 not diagnose or treat or 417 00:16:32,069 --> 00:16:31,040 these sort of 418 00:16:34,150 --> 00:16:32,079 words 419 00:16:35,749 --> 00:16:34,160 i think that any reasonable person 420 00:16:37,189 --> 00:16:35,759 looking at the device and hearing the 421 00:16:39,350 --> 00:16:37,199 sales pitch 422 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:39,360 would have the exact 423 00:16:45,110 --> 00:16:40,890 opposite impression 424 00:16:48,310 --> 00:16:46,550 all right daryl 425 00:16:50,710 --> 00:16:48,320 so we've come to the end 426 00:16:53,430 --> 00:16:50,720 we've come to the very end 427 00:16:54,710 --> 00:16:53,440 okay mind body wallet back again uh lots 428 00:16:56,389 --> 00:16:54,720 of people here 429 00:16:58,069 --> 00:16:56,399 scarcely anybody wearing masks but 430 00:17:00,150 --> 00:16:58,079 that's just like the trains in sydney at 431 00:17:01,829 --> 00:17:00,160 the moment anyway 432 00:17:04,470 --> 00:17:01,839 um and 433 00:17:06,549 --> 00:17:04,480 you know the usual assortment of 434 00:17:08,309 --> 00:17:06,559 uh bizarre medical claims like we heard 435 00:17:10,549 --> 00:17:08,319 from um 436 00:17:12,470 --> 00:17:10,559 the um whatever that place was 437 00:17:14,470 --> 00:17:12,480 the frequency store 438 00:17:15,750 --> 00:17:14,480 which i have the details about 439 00:17:17,990 --> 00:17:15,760 we're all frequent did you know that 440 00:17:19,590 --> 00:17:18,000 we're all frequencies yeah and you can 441 00:17:21,669 --> 00:17:19,600 record your voice and hear it back as an 442 00:17:24,230 --> 00:17:21,679 mp3 to put your frequencies back in 443 00:17:26,390 --> 00:17:24,240 balance in balance and balance yes 444 00:17:28,710 --> 00:17:26,400 uh lots of crystals here the aura camera 445 00:17:30,470 --> 00:17:28,720 is an old favorite so all in all it's a 446 00:17:32,230 --> 00:17:30,480 regular mind body wallet 447 00:17:33,669 --> 00:17:32,240 we've got some paperwork to work through 448 00:17:35,750 --> 00:17:33,679 but once again daryl thank you for 449 00:17:36,950 --> 00:17:35,760 coming along thank you it's always an 450 00:17:39,190 --> 00:17:36,960 interesting day out and i still 451 00:17:41,590 --> 00:17:39,200 recommend it to anyone out there if you 452 00:17:42,950 --> 00:17:41,600 have the chance visit a new age fair and 453 00:17:45,190 --> 00:17:42,960 the best thing you can do is ask 454 00:17:53,110 --> 00:17:45,200 questions ask questions that's right 455 00:17:58,150 --> 00:17:55,190 so that was mind body wallet mind buddy 456 00:17:59,510 --> 00:17:58,160 spirit for another six months 457 00:18:01,510 --> 00:17:59,520 thanks to 458 00:18:03,990 --> 00:18:01,520 daryl cahoon for joining me 459 00:18:06,789 --> 00:18:04,000 on yet another wander through 460 00:18:16,560 --> 00:18:06,799 the craziness the madness the 461 00:18:16,570 --> 00:18:23,430 [Music] 462 00:18:27,190 --> 00:18:25,590 hello this is maynard did you know that 463 00:18:30,630 --> 00:18:27,200 you could listen to the skeptic zone on 464 00:18:35,270 --> 00:18:30,640 youtube yes i know sounds crazy but it's 465 00:18:40,150 --> 00:18:37,830 also you can hear 40 logical fallacies 466 00:18:41,590 --> 00:18:40,160 with michelle bigesma and funny sketches 467 00:18:44,870 --> 00:18:41,600 with richard saunders and a host of 468 00:18:55,780 --> 00:18:46,549 just click on the youtube links on the 469 00:19:15,270 --> 00:19:12,870 [Music] 470 00:19:18,150 --> 00:19:15,280 hello everyone this is adrian hill from 471 00:19:20,549 --> 00:19:18,160 canada back to read the highlights from 472 00:19:22,470 --> 00:19:20,559 the australian skeptics newsletter and i 473 00:19:24,470 --> 00:19:22,480 want to thank my son troy for filling in 474 00:19:27,029 --> 00:19:24,480 for me the last time when my voice kept 475 00:19:29,270 --> 00:19:27,039 disappearing i think even though i'm 476 00:19:31,669 --> 00:19:29,280 biased because you know i'm his mother 477 00:19:34,310 --> 00:19:31,679 he did a wonderful job with his accents 478 00:19:36,870 --> 00:19:34,320 unfortunately the only accent i can do 479 00:19:40,390 --> 00:19:36,880 is maple syrup canadian 480 00:19:42,390 --> 00:19:40,400 this is newsletter number 149 481 00:19:44,789 --> 00:19:42,400 you can subscribe to this newsletter and 482 00:19:47,110 --> 00:19:44,799 get it delivered to your inbox every 483 00:19:51,430 --> 00:19:47,120 other week complete with links to all 484 00:19:54,710 --> 00:19:53,010 dot www.skeptics.com.a u 485 00:19:57,190 --> 00:19:54,720 [Music] 486 00:20:00,549 --> 00:19:57,200 but now let's get to the newsletter and 487 00:20:02,070 --> 00:20:00,559 see what tim mendem has lined up for us 488 00:20:03,909 --> 00:20:02,080 hi all 489 00:20:05,750 --> 00:20:03,919 now that the election is over we've 490 00:20:07,590 --> 00:20:05,760 packed away the polling booths and the 491 00:20:11,350 --> 00:20:07,600 psychic animals have gone back to their 492 00:20:13,750 --> 00:20:11,360 normal lives although pig the dugong and 493 00:20:16,549 --> 00:20:13,760 sparkles the croc picked the winner 494 00:20:18,950 --> 00:20:16,559 while hugo the galapagos turtle was a 495 00:20:23,669 --> 00:20:18,960 bit distracted by a female turtle named 496 00:20:25,830 --> 00:20:23,679 stella obviously a teal candidate 497 00:20:29,990 --> 00:20:25,840 on to more important things like haunted 498 00:20:32,710 --> 00:20:30,000 houses yuri's aliens and psychic coffins 499 00:20:34,789 --> 00:20:32,720 not to mention litigant naturopaths 500 00:20:37,770 --> 00:20:34,799 racism pseudoscience ultimate 501 00:20:39,190 --> 00:20:37,780 misinformation and the usual contenders 502 00:20:41,270 --> 00:20:39,200 [Music] 503 00:20:43,830 --> 00:20:41,280 and of course the annual skeptics 504 00:20:45,190 --> 00:20:43,840 convention in canberra in november face 505 00:20:47,430 --> 00:20:45,200 to face 506 00:20:48,950 --> 00:20:47,440 read on tim 507 00:20:51,510 --> 00:20:48,960 okay tim 508 00:20:56,190 --> 00:20:51,520 there's that canadian accent 509 00:20:57,350 --> 00:20:56,200 skepticon 2022 november 26th to the 27th 510 00:20:59,750 --> 00:20:57,360 [Music] 511 00:21:01,909 --> 00:20:59,760 we are happy to announce that the 2022 512 00:21:03,029 --> 00:21:01,919 annual australian skeptics national 513 00:21:06,630 --> 00:21:03,039 convention 514 00:21:08,710 --> 00:21:06,640 skepticon for 2022 will be held at the 515 00:21:12,149 --> 00:21:08,720 national library in canberra on the 516 00:21:13,750 --> 00:21:12,159 weekend of november 26th through 27th 517 00:21:15,590 --> 00:21:13,760 there will also be social events 518 00:21:17,350 --> 00:21:15,600 beforehand 519 00:21:19,190 --> 00:21:17,360 among the key speakers will be an 520 00:21:21,750 --> 00:21:19,200 international contingent made up of 521 00:21:23,909 --> 00:21:21,760 claire klingenberg chair of the european 522 00:21:26,230 --> 00:21:23,919 council of skeptical organizations and 523 00:21:28,549 --> 00:21:26,240 co-organizer of the czech paranormal 524 00:21:30,789 --> 00:21:28,559 challenge as well as the hosts of the 525 00:21:33,350 --> 00:21:30,799 european skeptics addicts otherwise 526 00:21:35,510 --> 00:21:33,360 known as esp 527 00:21:37,190 --> 00:21:35,520 all being well and in this day and age 528 00:21:39,270 --> 00:21:37,200 there are always the possibilities of 529 00:21:42,230 --> 00:21:39,280 changes it will be the first 530 00:21:45,909 --> 00:21:42,240 face-to-face convention since 2019. 531 00:21:48,230 --> 00:21:45,919 we look forward to seeing you there 532 00:21:49,360 --> 00:21:48,240 further details and ticket sales will be 533 00:21:50,789 --> 00:21:49,370 available soon 534 00:21:53,909 --> 00:21:50,799 [Music] 535 00:21:56,149 --> 00:21:53,919 gp sued by naturopath faces long road 536 00:21:58,870 --> 00:21:56,159 ahead 537 00:22:00,870 --> 00:21:58,880 melbourne doctor adam smith says he 538 00:22:02,710 --> 00:22:00,880 thought he was doing a community service 539 00:22:04,710 --> 00:22:02,720 by posting videos pointing out 540 00:22:07,830 --> 00:22:04,720 misinformation from a filipino 541 00:22:10,149 --> 00:22:07,840 naturopath now practicing in the u.s 542 00:22:12,470 --> 00:22:10,159 but the result has been legal action to 543 00:22:14,230 --> 00:22:12,480 silence him with possible fees in the 544 00:22:16,070 --> 00:22:14,240 hundreds of thousands 545 00:22:18,470 --> 00:22:16,080 australian skeptics has been in 546 00:22:20,310 --> 00:22:18,480 conversation with him for some time in 547 00:22:22,549 --> 00:22:20,320 the early days he had hoped the matter 548 00:22:25,110 --> 00:22:22,559 would be resolved quickly in his favor 549 00:22:27,669 --> 00:22:25,120 he has now set up a gofundme page to 550 00:22:31,029 --> 00:22:27,679 help out 551 00:22:34,310 --> 00:22:31,039 graphology is largely an urban myth we 552 00:22:37,350 --> 00:22:34,320 think largely is an understatement 553 00:22:39,830 --> 00:22:37,360 graphology is quote the pseudoscience 554 00:22:41,669 --> 00:22:39,840 that claims to reveal personality traits 555 00:22:43,750 --> 00:22:41,679 through the analysis of the subject's 556 00:22:46,070 --> 00:22:43,760 handwriting end quote 557 00:22:47,830 --> 00:22:46,080 but as the author says neither your 558 00:22:50,149 --> 00:22:47,840 signature nor your handwriting says 559 00:22:52,310 --> 00:22:50,159 anything about your personality for an 560 00:22:54,140 --> 00:22:52,320 interesting video on this topic google 561 00:22:56,230 --> 00:22:54,150 james randy griffology 562 00:22:58,950 --> 00:22:56,240 [Music] 563 00:23:02,070 --> 00:22:58,960 psychics in the courtroom oh dear the 564 00:23:04,230 --> 00:23:02,080 blurb goes quote a parapsychologist 565 00:23:07,190 --> 00:23:04,240 expert explores paranormal aided 566 00:23:10,310 --> 00:23:07,200 investigations court cases and more end 567 00:23:12,070 --> 00:23:10,320 quote problem is he undermines most of 568 00:23:14,630 --> 00:23:12,080 the cases of paranormal assistance that 569 00:23:16,710 --> 00:23:14,640 he brings up that's the only reason this 570 00:23:18,630 --> 00:23:16,720 story is up here rather than in the 571 00:23:20,710 --> 00:23:18,640 section at the bottom 572 00:23:23,990 --> 00:23:20,720 it's so weird to see someone undercut 573 00:23:26,310 --> 00:23:24,000 their own profession so consistently you 574 00:23:28,630 --> 00:23:26,320 wonder if it's an elaborate joke but we 575 00:23:31,909 --> 00:23:28,640 don't think it is 576 00:23:34,230 --> 00:23:31,919 congress taking ufos more seriously but 577 00:23:36,310 --> 00:23:34,240 questions remain 578 00:23:39,029 --> 00:23:36,320 american politicians have a meeting to 579 00:23:40,870 --> 00:23:39,039 discuss unidentified flying objects or 580 00:23:43,029 --> 00:23:40,880 aerial phenomena 581 00:23:46,230 --> 00:23:43,039 among the fors and against 582 00:23:48,630 --> 00:23:46,240 comes the breathtaking observation quote 583 00:23:50,950 --> 00:23:48,640 few can argue that the public still has 584 00:23:52,149 --> 00:23:50,960 questions and much remains unexplained 585 00:23:53,909 --> 00:23:52,159 end quote 586 00:23:57,060 --> 00:23:53,919 of course they're unexplained that's 587 00:23:58,630 --> 00:23:57,070 pretty much what the u of ufo stands for 588 00:24:01,430 --> 00:23:58,640 [Music] 589 00:24:05,430 --> 00:24:01,440 items of interest 590 00:24:08,470 --> 00:24:05,440 creepy essex home named the quote most 591 00:24:12,149 --> 00:24:08,480 haunted in england end quote 592 00:24:14,230 --> 00:24:12,159 but what a shame it burned down in 1938 593 00:24:18,070 --> 00:24:14,240 apparently borley rectory is still 594 00:24:20,549 --> 00:24:18,080 haunted even though it isn't there 595 00:24:22,710 --> 00:24:20,559 and your author admits to a failed trek 596 00:24:26,870 --> 00:24:22,720 in his youth trying to find the place 597 00:24:30,230 --> 00:24:26,880 not realizing it had gone long before 598 00:24:33,430 --> 00:24:30,240 scotland is quote most haunted country 599 00:24:35,110 --> 00:24:33,440 in world end quote oh troy where are you 600 00:24:37,430 --> 00:24:35,120 when i need you 601 00:24:40,390 --> 00:24:37,440 thumbing a supernatural nose at borley 602 00:24:43,190 --> 00:24:40,400 rectory comes the news that a paranormal 603 00:24:45,669 --> 00:24:43,200 expert says that scotland leads the pack 604 00:24:48,310 --> 00:24:45,679 when it comes to gory hauntings we have 605 00:24:50,870 --> 00:24:48,320 to trust her because she quote got into 606 00:24:53,190 --> 00:24:50,880 becoming a parapsychologist by seeking 607 00:24:55,990 --> 00:24:53,200 to apply scientific principles to 608 00:24:58,470 --> 00:24:56,000 anomalous phenomena the further into 609 00:25:00,870 --> 00:24:58,480 quantum theory i worked the more things 610 00:25:02,950 --> 00:25:00,880 like ghosts started to make sense end 611 00:25:06,630 --> 00:25:02,960 quote and there you go 612 00:25:09,029 --> 00:25:06,640 quantum proof of everything 613 00:25:11,029 --> 00:25:09,039 aliens could invade earth within the 614 00:25:12,950 --> 00:25:11,039 next five years 615 00:25:15,669 --> 00:25:12,960 according to keller 616 00:25:17,269 --> 00:25:15,679 yuri's been very active lately what with 617 00:25:20,789 --> 00:25:17,279 predicting all sorts of approaching 618 00:25:23,029 --> 00:25:20,799 phenomena the most recent is using quote 619 00:25:25,190 --> 00:25:23,039 remote viewing to send his mind through 620 00:25:28,870 --> 00:25:25,200 space and time to have a look at the 621 00:25:30,950 --> 00:25:28,880 aliens in action end quote or maybe that 622 00:25:35,110 --> 00:25:30,960 should be quote 623 00:25:37,190 --> 00:25:35,120 aliens inaction end quote get it 624 00:25:39,750 --> 00:25:37,200 anyway they'll be here soon so keep a 625 00:25:42,710 --> 00:25:39,760 bag packed by the door 626 00:25:46,070 --> 00:25:42,720 psychic making personalized coffins for 627 00:25:48,549 --> 00:25:46,080 murdered kids oh dear 628 00:25:51,029 --> 00:25:48,559 this could be seen as opportunism of the 629 00:25:53,269 --> 00:25:51,039 lowest kind but self-professed medium 630 00:25:55,190 --> 00:25:53,279 trey ganim is donating customized 631 00:25:57,029 --> 00:25:55,200 coffins to the families of those killed 632 00:25:59,830 --> 00:25:57,039 in the horrific shooting at robb 633 00:26:02,390 --> 00:25:59,840 elementary school in uvalde texas in 634 00:26:05,029 --> 00:26:02,400 which 19 children died 635 00:26:07,269 --> 00:26:05,039 he runs a customized coffin business and 636 00:26:09,830 --> 00:26:07,279 has promised to donate caskets decorated 637 00:26:11,750 --> 00:26:09,840 specifically for each murdered child 638 00:26:14,390 --> 00:26:11,760 among the designs he is featuring on the 639 00:26:17,110 --> 00:26:14,400 coffins are dinosaurs butterflies and 640 00:26:19,510 --> 00:26:17,120 scenes from popular tik tok videos 641 00:26:21,830 --> 00:26:19,520 he claims to regularly communicate with 642 00:26:24,149 --> 00:26:21,840 the deceased while working on caskets 643 00:26:26,620 --> 00:26:24,159 including victims of the vivaldi 644 00:26:30,710 --> 00:26:26,630 shooting which is very very sad 645 00:26:33,669 --> 00:26:30,720 [Music] 646 00:26:35,990 --> 00:26:33,679 well that's all for now and until next 647 00:26:38,630 --> 00:26:36,000 time this has been adrian hill from the 648 00:26:40,200 --> 00:26:38,640 land of waffles moose and of course 649 00:26:49,029 --> 00:26:40,210 maple syrup 650 00:26:51,190 --> 00:26:49,039 [Music] 651 00:26:53,669 --> 00:26:51,200 carrie is it oh yes hi i'm carrie i am 652 00:26:56,470 --> 00:26:53,679 psychic ross and i will be reading you 653 00:26:58,630 --> 00:26:56,480 this evening oh interesting well okay i 654 00:27:00,390 --> 00:26:58,640 co-host a podcast it's called ono ross 655 00:27:02,870 --> 00:27:00,400 and kerry yes i'm sensing that the 656 00:27:04,470 --> 00:27:02,880 spirits are telling me it is a show 657 00:27:06,870 --> 00:27:04,480 about well it's about like fringe 658 00:27:09,350 --> 00:27:06,880 science and spirituality and claims of 659 00:27:11,510 --> 00:27:09,360 the paranormal oh you knew that you do 660 00:27:14,630 --> 00:27:11,520 research online but more importantly 661 00:27:16,950 --> 00:27:14,640 like we do in-person investigations 662 00:27:18,549 --> 00:27:16,960 as well oh my god that's amazing you see 663 00:27:20,870 --> 00:27:18,559 me and my friend this is so weird my 664 00:27:22,549 --> 00:27:20,880 friend ross same name as you weird he 665 00:27:23,830 --> 00:27:22,559 and i just go and try them all out and 666 00:27:25,510 --> 00:27:23,840 actually we've gone to a number of 667 00:27:27,830 --> 00:27:25,520 psychics and to be honest with you it's 668 00:27:28,830 --> 00:27:27,840 a lot like this it's called owner ross 669 00:27:30,789 --> 00:27:28,840 and carrie they can find it at 670 00:27:33,100 --> 00:27:30,799 maximumfun.org i could have told you 671 00:27:45,269 --> 00:27:33,110 that 672 00:27:49,510 --> 00:27:46,870 now it's time once again to look into 673 00:27:51,669 --> 00:27:49,520 those archives those digital 674 00:27:54,549 --> 00:27:51,679 newspaper magazine 675 00:27:57,269 --> 00:27:54,559 journal archives from around the world 676 00:27:59,950 --> 00:27:57,279 normally in australia we look for the 677 00:28:02,630 --> 00:27:59,960 trove archive at 678 00:28:04,789 --> 00:28:02,640 trove.nla.gov.edu but sometimes often we 679 00:28:07,029 --> 00:28:04,799 go further afield 680 00:28:08,630 --> 00:28:07,039 and today we're back once again in the 681 00:28:10,549 --> 00:28:08,640 united states 682 00:28:11,669 --> 00:28:10,559 and concentrating on one article this 683 00:28:13,190 --> 00:28:11,679 week 684 00:28:14,310 --> 00:28:13,200 it's called 685 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:14,320 first 686 00:28:20,149 --> 00:28:15,770 for wisdom 687 00:28:22,310 --> 00:28:20,159 [Music] 688 00:28:23,590 --> 00:28:22,320 now this appeared in the joplin sunday 689 00:28:26,710 --> 00:28:23,600 globe 690 00:28:29,590 --> 00:28:26,720 dated may 13 2001 691 00:28:32,230 --> 00:28:29,600 and this is from joplin missouri 692 00:28:33,990 --> 00:28:32,240 united states and this is all about 693 00:28:37,510 --> 00:28:34,000 water dowsing 694 00:28:39,510 --> 00:28:37,520 or as we tend to call it here divining 695 00:28:42,149 --> 00:28:39,520 an interesting story 696 00:28:45,430 --> 00:28:42,159 which includes a mention 697 00:28:47,510 --> 00:28:45,440 from james randy and the large picture 698 00:28:50,149 --> 00:28:47,520 that accompanies this story on the front 699 00:28:52,070 --> 00:28:50,159 page of the newspaper in question the 700 00:28:53,430 --> 00:28:52,080 joplin globe 701 00:28:54,950 --> 00:28:53,440 is of a 702 00:28:57,029 --> 00:28:54,960 elderly man 703 00:28:58,789 --> 00:28:57,039 instructing a young 704 00:29:00,630 --> 00:28:58,799 student and the 705 00:29:04,230 --> 00:29:00,640 and the caption reads 706 00:29:05,350 --> 00:29:04,240 casey ridenour 11 of eureka springs 707 00:29:08,070 --> 00:29:05,360 arkansas 708 00:29:10,950 --> 00:29:08,080 is being helped by louis matisha with 709 00:29:13,190 --> 00:29:10,960 the american society of dowsers the 710 00:29:15,590 --> 00:29:13,200 group's central conference was recently 711 00:29:16,950 --> 00:29:15,600 held in eureka springs at the crescent 712 00:29:20,230 --> 00:29:16,960 hotel 713 00:29:23,350 --> 00:29:20,240 dowsing pupils seek answers from wand 714 00:29:27,350 --> 00:29:23,360 skeptics ask for proof 715 00:29:29,669 --> 00:29:27,360 by max mccoy globe staff writer 716 00:29:32,149 --> 00:29:29,679 eureka springs arkansas 717 00:29:35,430 --> 00:29:32,159 in the shadow of the historic crescent 718 00:29:39,190 --> 00:29:35,440 hotel novice dowsers move slowly down a 719 00:29:42,070 --> 00:29:39,200 swath of carefully manicured lawn copper 720 00:29:44,630 --> 00:29:42,080 ones twitching in their fists 721 00:29:47,510 --> 00:29:44,640 how deep is the vein ask their 722 00:29:50,549 --> 00:29:47,520 instructor lee khachadorian 723 00:29:52,470 --> 00:29:50,559 the students believe they have found 724 00:29:55,590 --> 00:29:52,480 water and not 725 00:29:57,909 --> 00:29:55,600 just water but water that is portable 726 00:30:00,549 --> 00:29:57,919 palatable with a flow of at least five 727 00:30:03,190 --> 00:30:00,559 gallons per minute at the surface and at 728 00:30:06,310 --> 00:30:03,200 a depth of less than 500 feet 729 00:30:07,510 --> 00:30:06,320 at least that's what they've carefully 730 00:30:08,789 --> 00:30:07,520 asked 731 00:30:10,310 --> 00:30:08,799 their tools 732 00:30:12,310 --> 00:30:10,320 to locate 733 00:30:15,430 --> 00:30:12,320 also called bobbers 734 00:30:18,549 --> 00:30:15,440 the wands are the soul of simplicity 735 00:30:21,029 --> 00:30:18,559 a length of copper wire a few twists to 736 00:30:24,070 --> 00:30:21,039 make a spring joint about a third of the 737 00:30:26,470 --> 00:30:24,080 way down and a wooden handle 738 00:30:29,029 --> 00:30:26,480 the business end bobs seemingly of its 739 00:30:30,310 --> 00:30:29,039 own volition and answers are deduced 740 00:30:34,230 --> 00:30:30,320 according to the direction of the 741 00:30:37,510 --> 00:30:34,240 movement 45 feet says ronald bond a 742 00:30:39,990 --> 00:30:37,520 middle-aged businessman from texas four 743 00:30:42,710 --> 00:30:40,000 of the seven other students concur 744 00:30:45,909 --> 00:30:42,720 and also agree on the number of veins or 745 00:30:48,630 --> 00:30:45,919 underground streams present three 746 00:30:49,590 --> 00:30:48,640 such demonstrations are impressive to 747 00:30:51,510 --> 00:30:49,600 watch 748 00:30:53,350 --> 00:30:51,520 but short of tranquilizing the 749 00:30:55,909 --> 00:30:53,360 management and digging up the hotel's 750 00:30:58,470 --> 00:30:55,919 lawn there is no practical way to know 751 00:31:00,710 --> 00:30:58,480 how accurate the students have been 752 00:31:03,590 --> 00:31:00,720 catchadorian students are among the 753 00:31:06,389 --> 00:31:03,600 three dozen who have paid 52 dollars 754 00:31:09,110 --> 00:31:06,399 each to attend a day-long beginning 755 00:31:10,870 --> 00:31:09,120 dowsing school held in eureka springs in 756 00:31:13,669 --> 00:31:10,880 conjunction with the central conference 757 00:31:15,990 --> 00:31:13,679 of the american society of dowsers 758 00:31:18,149 --> 00:31:16,000 despite the work of debunkers like james 759 00:31:20,549 --> 00:31:18,159 randy and others who say dowsing just 760 00:31:23,430 --> 00:31:20,559 doesn't work the non-profit american 761 00:31:25,830 --> 00:31:23,440 society of dowsers has about 5 000 762 00:31:28,870 --> 00:31:25,840 members and receives hundreds of letters 763 00:31:31,669 --> 00:31:28,880 annually from the curious and although 764 00:31:34,389 --> 00:31:31,679 dowsing is an ancient folk tradition 765 00:31:36,549 --> 00:31:34,399 usually associated with locating water 766 00:31:37,990 --> 00:31:36,559 adherents claim nothing is beyond their 767 00:31:40,950 --> 00:31:38,000 power to locate 768 00:31:41,909 --> 00:31:40,960 oil and gas missing persons even 769 00:31:44,470 --> 00:31:41,919 treasure 770 00:31:46,870 --> 00:31:44,480 dowsing also transcends time and 771 00:31:51,830 --> 00:31:46,880 distance they claim and successful 772 00:31:52,870 --> 00:31:51,840 searches can be made using maps alone 773 00:31:54,630 --> 00:31:52,880 but 774 00:31:58,070 --> 00:31:54,640 there's a catch 775 00:32:01,029 --> 00:31:58,080 dowsing only works they say when based 776 00:32:02,789 --> 00:32:01,039 on a legitimate need to know 777 00:32:05,590 --> 00:32:02,799 ask questions out of scientific 778 00:32:09,430 --> 00:32:05,600 curiosity or basic human greed 779 00:32:12,310 --> 00:32:09,440 and the results are unreliable 780 00:32:14,149 --> 00:32:12,320 bunk says randy who has a standing offer 781 00:32:16,630 --> 00:32:14,159 of one million dollars for anyone who 782 00:32:18,389 --> 00:32:16,640 can prove paranormal powers under 783 00:32:21,269 --> 00:32:18,399 controlled conditions 784 00:32:23,509 --> 00:32:21,279 dowsing is self-delusion mostly 785 00:32:25,990 --> 00:32:23,519 it's the idiom motor reaction and you 786 00:32:27,830 --> 00:32:26,000 can look that up in any psychology book 787 00:32:29,990 --> 00:32:27,840 what they are really doing is moving the 788 00:32:31,110 --> 00:32:30,000 stick or pendulum or the wires 789 00:32:34,389 --> 00:32:31,120 themselves 790 00:32:37,269 --> 00:32:34,399 the reason they find water is because 94 791 00:32:40,470 --> 00:32:37,279 of the earth's surface has water within 792 00:32:43,990 --> 00:32:40,480 a drillable distance the real trick says 793 00:32:45,990 --> 00:32:44,000 randy would be to find a dry spot 794 00:32:47,830 --> 00:32:46,000 thirsting for more 795 00:32:50,470 --> 00:32:47,840 the crescent hotel is an appropriate 796 00:32:53,909 --> 00:32:50,480 location for a dowsing conference that 797 00:32:56,549 --> 00:32:53,919 also offered seminars on feng shui 798 00:32:58,070 --> 00:32:56,559 past lives regression 799 00:33:00,149 --> 00:32:58,080 and quote 800 00:33:02,310 --> 00:33:00,159 clearing non-beneficial 801 00:33:05,029 --> 00:33:02,320 thought forms 802 00:33:07,669 --> 00:33:05,039 end quote eureka springs is a curious 803 00:33:11,269 --> 00:33:07,679 combination of victorian charm and new 804 00:33:13,190 --> 00:33:11,279 age hypnosis and the 115 year crescent 805 00:33:14,470 --> 00:33:13,200 is alleged to be 806 00:33:16,710 --> 00:33:14,480 haunted 807 00:33:18,870 --> 00:33:16,720 some of the ghosts the story goes are 808 00:33:21,269 --> 00:33:18,880 the unhappy souls of those who died 809 00:33:23,909 --> 00:33:21,279 there while the hotel was a cancer 810 00:33:26,630 --> 00:33:23,919 hospital early in its career a 811 00:33:30,070 --> 00:33:26,640 handwritten letter signed politely asked 812 00:33:32,630 --> 00:33:30,080 dowsers not to clear any quote 813 00:33:35,990 --> 00:33:32,640 negative energies and quote they find in 814 00:33:37,110 --> 00:33:36,000 the hotel for fear of driving out the 815 00:33:40,389 --> 00:33:37,120 ghosts 816 00:33:42,149 --> 00:33:40,399 out on the lawn catchadorian has steered 817 00:33:44,310 --> 00:33:42,159 her charges clear of the north side of 818 00:33:46,230 --> 00:33:44,320 the hotel where many dowsers have 819 00:33:47,750 --> 00:33:46,240 detected something 820 00:33:51,750 --> 00:33:47,760 noxious 821 00:33:54,870 --> 00:33:51,760 catchadorian 61 is an american society 822 00:33:57,669 --> 00:33:54,880 of daos trustee who lives in woodstock 823 00:34:00,310 --> 00:33:57,679 vermont she says she has been dowsing 824 00:34:01,350 --> 00:34:00,320 for more than 20 years to locate water 825 00:34:04,870 --> 00:34:01,360 enhance 826 00:34:06,470 --> 00:34:04,880 life energies and solve problems she 827 00:34:08,470 --> 00:34:06,480 agrees with randy that dowsers 828 00:34:09,909 --> 00:34:08,480 unconsciously move their tools 829 00:34:11,909 --> 00:34:09,919 themselves 830 00:34:14,710 --> 00:34:11,919 but says it's because they are connected 831 00:34:16,310 --> 00:34:14,720 to something greater than themselves 832 00:34:18,310 --> 00:34:16,320 there's something said in many different 833 00:34:22,149 --> 00:34:18,320 religions including christianity and 834 00:34:24,869 --> 00:34:22,159 judaism about asking and you shall find 835 00:34:26,069 --> 00:34:24,879 catchadorian said this is what dowsing 836 00:34:29,109 --> 00:34:26,079 is all about 837 00:34:32,310 --> 00:34:29,119 dowsing students are seekers she says 838 00:34:34,310 --> 00:34:32,320 who thirst for more than water they are 839 00:34:36,710 --> 00:34:34,320 in the process of realizing there is 840 00:34:39,190 --> 00:34:36,720 something beyond themselves 841 00:34:42,310 --> 00:34:39,200 that they haven't been able to get in 842 00:34:45,430 --> 00:34:42,320 touch with she said they are looking for 843 00:34:48,790 --> 00:34:45,440 something that is missing in their life 844 00:34:50,950 --> 00:34:48,800 some are coming for healing purposes 845 00:34:53,030 --> 00:34:50,960 and some want to take control of a 846 00:34:54,149 --> 00:34:53,040 particular type of energy 847 00:34:57,430 --> 00:34:54,159 intent 848 00:34:59,990 --> 00:34:57,440 is important kochidorian said 849 00:35:01,589 --> 00:35:00,000 and she advises her students to think 850 00:35:02,710 --> 00:35:01,599 carefully about the information they 851 00:35:05,990 --> 00:35:02,720 request 852 00:35:08,950 --> 00:35:06,000 not only is the phrasing of the question 853 00:35:11,349 --> 00:35:08,960 vital because the instruments tend to 854 00:35:14,790 --> 00:35:11,359 interpret things literally asking if 855 00:35:16,550 --> 00:35:14,800 one's car needs gas invariably results 856 00:35:19,829 --> 00:35:16,560 in an affirmative 857 00:35:22,470 --> 00:35:19,839 because all cars need gas regardless of 858 00:35:25,030 --> 00:35:22,480 how much gasoline is in the tank of any 859 00:35:28,069 --> 00:35:25,040 particular vehicle but there are some 860 00:35:29,670 --> 00:35:28,079 questions that simply shouldn't be asked 861 00:35:32,790 --> 00:35:29,680 most of these 862 00:35:35,270 --> 00:35:32,800 forbidden areas often involve greed 863 00:35:38,310 --> 00:35:35,280 invasion of privacy or questions for 864 00:35:40,150 --> 00:35:38,320 which the dowser cannot set aside his or 865 00:35:42,790 --> 00:35:40,160 her ego 866 00:35:44,790 --> 00:35:42,800 and a brief stop here along the way for 867 00:35:46,790 --> 00:35:44,800 me to comment that 868 00:35:49,349 --> 00:35:46,800 really well that all depends on who you 869 00:35:51,589 --> 00:35:49,359 ask because over the decades and decades 870 00:35:52,790 --> 00:35:51,599 that um australian skeptics and other 871 00:35:54,630 --> 00:35:52,800 groups have been 872 00:35:56,150 --> 00:35:54,640 testing the claims of water diviners and 873 00:35:57,750 --> 00:35:56,160 water dowsers 874 00:35:59,190 --> 00:35:57,760 some will say this some will say 875 00:36:01,589 --> 00:35:59,200 something else some will say of course 876 00:36:03,990 --> 00:36:01,599 they can be tested for dowsing it all 877 00:36:05,589 --> 00:36:04,000 depends on who you talk to 878 00:36:07,430 --> 00:36:05,599 we read on 879 00:36:09,990 --> 00:36:07,440 she advised her students to begin a 880 00:36:13,109 --> 00:36:10,000 session by first dowsing for 881 00:36:15,990 --> 00:36:13,119 permission to pursue a particular topic 882 00:36:17,430 --> 00:36:16,000 with a formula summed up by 883 00:36:20,550 --> 00:36:17,440 quote may i 884 00:36:24,230 --> 00:36:20,560 can i should i end quote if the answer 885 00:36:27,190 --> 00:36:24,240 to any of these questions is no she said 886 00:36:30,230 --> 00:36:27,200 only the foolish would proceed 887 00:36:32,790 --> 00:36:30,240 cochadorian said she had never met randy 888 00:36:35,670 --> 00:36:32,800 but that she doubted his assertion that 889 00:36:37,270 --> 00:36:35,680 drillable water can be found on 94 of 890 00:36:39,589 --> 00:36:37,280 the earth's surface 891 00:36:42,470 --> 00:36:39,599 anyone with experience in drilling she 892 00:36:44,150 --> 00:36:42,480 said knows how difficult it is to place 893 00:36:47,190 --> 00:36:44,160 a good well 894 00:36:49,430 --> 00:36:47,200 also she said randy didn't seem to be a 895 00:36:51,270 --> 00:36:49,440 particularly happy person 896 00:36:53,270 --> 00:36:51,280 based on the few times she's seen him on 897 00:36:56,550 --> 00:36:53,280 television or in a documentary on 898 00:36:58,870 --> 00:36:56,560 dowsing made by her son george 899 00:37:00,710 --> 00:36:58,880 given a choice she said she'd rather be 900 00:37:02,950 --> 00:37:00,720 happy even if it means believing in 901 00:37:05,910 --> 00:37:02,960 something she can't prove 902 00:37:07,910 --> 00:37:05,920 every human being can dowse 903 00:37:10,069 --> 00:37:07,920 assuming for a moment that khachadorian 904 00:37:11,910 --> 00:37:10,079 and her fellows in the american society 905 00:37:13,030 --> 00:37:11,920 of dowsers are right the question 906 00:37:15,589 --> 00:37:13,040 becomes 907 00:37:17,589 --> 00:37:15,599 what makes dowsing work 908 00:37:19,750 --> 00:37:17,599 the american society of dowsers is 909 00:37:22,390 --> 00:37:19,760 careful to endorse no particular 910 00:37:24,550 --> 00:37:22,400 explanation but individual dowsers have 911 00:37:26,510 --> 00:37:24,560 pet theories ranging from 912 00:37:28,550 --> 00:37:26,520 guardian angels to unknown 913 00:37:31,910 --> 00:37:28,560 electromagnetic forces 914 00:37:33,349 --> 00:37:31,920 to what one particular at eureka springs 915 00:37:34,630 --> 00:37:33,359 called 916 00:37:35,670 --> 00:37:34,640 the big 917 00:37:37,510 --> 00:37:35,680 library 918 00:37:39,750 --> 00:37:37,520 in the sky 919 00:37:41,829 --> 00:37:39,760 during a classroom session earlier in 920 00:37:43,910 --> 00:37:41,839 the day on the fourth floor of the 921 00:37:46,550 --> 00:37:43,920 crescent hotel questions about what 922 00:37:48,390 --> 00:37:46,560 makes dowsing works were discouraged 923 00:37:50,630 --> 00:37:48,400 by tony garringer 924 00:37:53,430 --> 00:37:50,640 an instructor an avid amateur dowser 925 00:37:56,230 --> 00:37:53,440 from las cruces new mexico don't lose 926 00:37:58,470 --> 00:37:56,240 sleep over it he told the students you 927 00:38:00,630 --> 00:37:58,480 don't have to know how an automatic 928 00:38:01,510 --> 00:38:00,640 transmission works in order to drive a 929 00:38:04,950 --> 00:38:01,520 car 930 00:38:07,349 --> 00:38:04,960 the task for us today is to teach you 931 00:38:09,750 --> 00:38:07,359 how to operate this stuff every human 932 00:38:12,470 --> 00:38:09,760 being can dowse but most people have 933 00:38:15,030 --> 00:38:12,480 never developed it he said 934 00:38:16,390 --> 00:38:15,040 the students were given an inexpensive 935 00:38:20,550 --> 00:38:16,400 set of four 936 00:38:23,190 --> 00:38:20,560 basic tools the wand a ceramic pendulum 937 00:38:26,550 --> 00:38:23,200 a pair of l-shaped copper rods 938 00:38:29,190 --> 00:38:26,560 and a forked stick made from plastic 939 00:38:31,829 --> 00:38:29,200 tubing garander told the students not to 940 00:38:33,670 --> 00:38:31,839 waste their money on high-priced devices 941 00:38:35,750 --> 00:38:33,680 with fancy claims 942 00:38:37,910 --> 00:38:35,760 some dowsing tools go for hundreds or 943 00:38:40,790 --> 00:38:37,920 even thousands of dollars as long as the 944 00:38:43,750 --> 00:38:40,800 material can swing bob sway or bend 945 00:38:46,950 --> 00:38:43,760 properly he said it doesn't matter what 946 00:38:50,230 --> 00:38:46,960 the tool is made of the important thing 947 00:38:52,150 --> 00:38:50,240 is the mind of the dowser also he said 948 00:38:55,030 --> 00:38:52,160 the tools must be 949 00:38:58,230 --> 00:38:55,040 programmed to give correct answers by 950 00:39:00,710 --> 00:38:58,240 telling them aloud what is expected a 951 00:39:04,230 --> 00:39:00,720 pendulum for example is commonly 952 00:39:06,950 --> 00:39:04,240 programmed to single a yes answer by 953 00:39:10,069 --> 00:39:06,960 swinging away from the dowser while the 954 00:39:12,550 --> 00:39:10,079 l rods are usually expected to cross 955 00:39:16,069 --> 00:39:12,560 there is more to it of course there is 956 00:39:17,589 --> 00:39:16,079 also a ready position a 957 00:39:20,069 --> 00:39:17,599 no position 958 00:39:22,550 --> 00:39:20,079 and movements that indicate number and 959 00:39:25,430 --> 00:39:22,560 direction also the l rods seem 960 00:39:26,390 --> 00:39:25,440 particularly sensitive and will often 961 00:39:29,430 --> 00:39:26,400 spin 962 00:39:32,310 --> 00:39:29,440 seemingly with no input from the dowser 963 00:39:34,950 --> 00:39:32,320 garringer considers himself an expert 964 00:39:38,390 --> 00:39:34,960 but does not charge for his services 965 00:39:41,030 --> 00:39:38,400 i had a bad pork chop 966 00:39:43,510 --> 00:39:41,040 a former magician and escape artist 967 00:39:45,710 --> 00:39:43,520 james randy may be the world's best 968 00:39:48,069 --> 00:39:45,720 known debunker of paranormal and 969 00:39:50,630 --> 00:39:48,079 pseudo-scientific claims following in 970 00:39:53,750 --> 00:39:50,640 the footsteps of another famous escape 971 00:39:56,390 --> 00:39:53,760 artist harry houdini randy has exposed 972 00:39:58,550 --> 00:39:56,400 spoonbenders faith healers and occult 973 00:40:01,349 --> 00:39:58,560 hoaxes of all kinds 974 00:40:02,950 --> 00:40:01,359 since 1996 the james randy educational 975 00:40:05,670 --> 00:40:02,960 foundation has offered 976 00:40:07,990 --> 00:40:05,680 a one million dollar prize to 977 00:40:09,990 --> 00:40:08,000 anyone who can show under proper 978 00:40:12,550 --> 00:40:10,000 observing conditions evidence of any 979 00:40:14,069 --> 00:40:12,560 paranormal supernatural or occult power 980 00:40:16,390 --> 00:40:14,079 or event 981 00:40:19,190 --> 00:40:16,400 applicants are asked to perform a simple 982 00:40:21,349 --> 00:40:19,200 preliminary test of the claim and if 983 00:40:22,870 --> 00:40:21,359 successful they will be allowed to take 984 00:40:24,630 --> 00:40:22,880 the formal test 985 00:40:27,829 --> 00:40:24,640 which are designed 986 00:40:29,109 --> 00:40:27,839 with the participation and approval of 987 00:40:31,349 --> 00:40:29,119 the applicant 988 00:40:33,670 --> 00:40:31,359 though hundreds have applied 989 00:40:36,150 --> 00:40:33,680 nobody has yet passed even the 990 00:40:39,430 --> 00:40:36,160 preliminary test dowsing depends on 991 00:40:41,430 --> 00:40:39,440 having an unstable system of some kind 992 00:40:44,309 --> 00:40:41,440 randy said in a telephone interview this 993 00:40:46,470 --> 00:40:44,319 week from the foundation headquarters in 994 00:40:48,870 --> 00:40:46,480 fort lauderdale florida you can't 995 00:40:50,870 --> 00:40:48,880 possibly keep a pendulum still the 996 00:40:53,430 --> 00:40:50,880 l-shaped rods represent the same 997 00:40:55,589 --> 00:40:53,440 phenomenon randy said he had been 998 00:40:58,790 --> 00:40:55,599 studying the dowsing since he was 999 00:41:01,030 --> 00:40:58,800 fifteen and although he has tested 1000 00:41:03,190 --> 00:41:01,040 dowses many times around the world under 1001 00:41:05,510 --> 00:41:03,200 carefully controlled conditions 1002 00:41:07,349 --> 00:41:05,520 they have always failed 1003 00:41:09,990 --> 00:41:07,359 what sets them apart from the hundreds 1004 00:41:12,550 --> 00:41:10,000 of others who claim supernatural power 1005 00:41:16,069 --> 00:41:12,560 that he has tested randy said 1006 00:41:18,470 --> 00:41:16,079 is that he has discovered only three who 1007 00:41:21,670 --> 00:41:18,480 tried to cheat in some way 1008 00:41:24,550 --> 00:41:21,680 all of the others appeared to be sincere 1009 00:41:26,870 --> 00:41:24,560 now dowsers are essentially honest folks 1010 00:41:30,069 --> 00:41:26,880 and they think they have the power 1011 00:41:31,349 --> 00:41:30,079 randy said some dowsers came in a couple 1012 00:41:33,349 --> 00:41:31,359 of weeks ago 1013 00:41:34,390 --> 00:41:33,359 and they were tested in one room in the 1014 00:41:36,710 --> 00:41:34,400 library here 1015 00:41:40,390 --> 00:41:36,720 and they failed then they always make 1016 00:41:43,510 --> 00:41:40,400 excuses i had a bad pork chop it was too 1017 00:41:46,950 --> 00:41:43,520 damp there were negative vibrations in 1018 00:41:48,870 --> 00:41:46,960 germany randy said he devised a simple 1019 00:41:50,710 --> 00:41:48,880 test in which dowsers were asked to 1020 00:41:52,950 --> 00:41:50,720 determine if water was running through a 1021 00:41:54,790 --> 00:41:52,960 particular pipe or not 1022 00:41:56,230 --> 00:41:54,800 again he said 1023 00:41:58,710 --> 00:41:56,240 they couldn't 1024 00:42:00,470 --> 00:41:58,720 dousers need this to be true because 1025 00:42:03,190 --> 00:42:00,480 it's the only thing they've got going 1026 00:42:06,150 --> 00:42:03,200 for them he said you find these are 1027 00:42:08,470 --> 00:42:06,160 people who have never been paid much 1028 00:42:10,710 --> 00:42:08,480 attention to but at conventions they're 1029 00:42:13,030 --> 00:42:10,720 all good old boys slap each other on the 1030 00:42:14,069 --> 00:42:13,040 back and have a good time it's a social 1031 00:42:16,550 --> 00:42:14,079 club 1032 00:42:18,790 --> 00:42:16,560 but dowses seem to have won their case 1033 00:42:21,109 --> 00:42:18,800 in the court of public opinion randy 1034 00:42:23,190 --> 00:42:21,119 said because dowsing is such a 1035 00:42:25,349 --> 00:42:23,200 well-known folk tradition 1036 00:42:30,069 --> 00:42:25,359 but the evidence cited in favor of 1037 00:42:32,390 --> 00:42:30,079 dowsing is invariably anecdotal now we 1038 00:42:34,550 --> 00:42:32,400 really want someone to show us it works 1039 00:42:36,390 --> 00:42:34,560 and we're putting up one million dollars 1040 00:42:38,230 --> 00:42:36,400 for it he said 1041 00:42:40,390 --> 00:42:38,240 but they will say this is something that 1042 00:42:41,990 --> 00:42:40,400 shouldn't be tested or that they don't 1043 00:42:44,309 --> 00:42:42,000 want the million bucks 1044 00:42:46,710 --> 00:42:44,319 when i say why don't they give this 1045 00:42:48,870 --> 00:42:46,720 money to aids research or hungry 1046 00:42:51,109 --> 00:42:48,880 children when they win 1047 00:42:53,589 --> 00:42:51,119 they don't have an answer james 1048 00:42:56,630 --> 00:42:53,599 underdown is the executive director of 1049 00:42:59,589 --> 00:42:56,640 the center for inquiry west in los 1050 00:43:02,309 --> 00:42:59,599 angeles and he agrees with randy that 1051 00:43:04,630 --> 00:43:02,319 although there is no proven scientific 1052 00:43:06,950 --> 00:43:04,640 for dowsing it continues to hold a 1053 00:43:09,829 --> 00:43:06,960 prominent place in the popular 1054 00:43:12,870 --> 00:43:09,839 imagination in the case of dowsing it 1055 00:43:15,349 --> 00:43:12,880 goes off in two directions under down 1056 00:43:17,750 --> 00:43:15,359 said one is folklore because the 1057 00:43:20,470 --> 00:43:17,760 witching stick is an old notion and the 1058 00:43:21,910 --> 00:43:20,480 other which i think the american dowsing 1059 00:43:24,710 --> 00:43:21,920 society takes 1060 00:43:27,349 --> 00:43:24,720 is the whole rest of the spectrum 1061 00:43:29,349 --> 00:43:27,359 where people feel like they can douse to 1062 00:43:31,829 --> 00:43:29,359 heal sickness spiritual energy 1063 00:43:33,829 --> 00:43:31,839 imbalances and all these different ideas 1064 00:43:35,589 --> 00:43:33,839 which are closer to new age thinking and 1065 00:43:37,430 --> 00:43:35,599 alternative medicine 1066 00:43:40,870 --> 00:43:37,440 many of these claims are difficult to 1067 00:43:41,990 --> 00:43:40,880 test but we think it's fair game to say 1068 00:43:43,430 --> 00:43:42,000 prove it 1069 00:43:45,670 --> 00:43:43,440 underdown said 1070 00:43:48,550 --> 00:43:45,680 the onus of proof is on the claimant 1071 00:43:50,150 --> 00:43:48,560 especially if you're charging people 1072 00:43:51,270 --> 00:43:50,160 that's when it gets into the realm of 1073 00:43:53,750 --> 00:43:51,280 fraud 1074 00:43:56,230 --> 00:43:53,760 subtle energies 1075 00:43:58,390 --> 00:43:56,240 the students at eureka springs however 1076 00:44:00,870 --> 00:43:58,400 didn't seem to need a scientific 1077 00:44:04,309 --> 00:44:00,880 evidence one way or another 1078 00:44:07,589 --> 00:44:04,319 ron bond the woodlands texas businessman 1079 00:44:10,390 --> 00:44:07,599 who helped douse the depth of the water 1080 00:44:12,150 --> 00:44:10,400 on the lawn of the crescent hotel 1081 00:44:14,309 --> 00:44:12,160 said he saw 1082 00:44:16,390 --> 00:44:14,319 example after example 1083 00:44:18,309 --> 00:44:16,400 that dowsing worked and called the 1084 00:44:20,550 --> 00:44:18,319 conference exceptional 1085 00:44:23,190 --> 00:44:20,560 i attend simply on the recommendation of 1086 00:44:26,550 --> 00:44:23,200 a friend and with no previous knowledge 1087 00:44:28,630 --> 00:44:26,560 and truly with no expectations he said 1088 00:44:31,589 --> 00:44:28,640 one weekend of hands-on experience 1089 00:44:34,710 --> 00:44:31,599 opened my faculties and confirmed for me 1090 00:44:37,430 --> 00:44:34,720 the existence of subtle energies existed 1091 00:44:39,750 --> 00:44:37,440 all around us daily linda j cunningham 1092 00:44:41,750 --> 00:44:39,760 another of catchadorian students heard 1093 00:44:44,069 --> 00:44:41,760 about the dowsing school when she 1094 00:44:44,870 --> 00:44:44,079 attended a feng shui workshop with a 1095 00:44:47,150 --> 00:44:44,880 friend 1096 00:44:49,589 --> 00:44:47,160 cunningham an executive with a 1097 00:44:52,710 --> 00:44:49,599 telecommunications consulting company in 1098 00:44:55,589 --> 00:44:52,720 norman oklahoma said her husband had 1099 00:44:58,470 --> 00:44:55,599 attended an american society of dallas's 1100 00:44:59,829 --> 00:44:58,480 conference last year in flagstaff 1101 00:45:02,550 --> 00:44:59,839 arizona 1102 00:45:05,990 --> 00:45:02,560 and was so impressed he began writing 1103 00:45:08,069 --> 00:45:06,000 about dowsing she did not elaborate 1104 00:45:10,470 --> 00:45:08,079 cochadorian and other members of the 1105 00:45:15,030 --> 00:45:10,480 american society of nasa's meanwhile are 1106 00:45:17,190 --> 00:45:15,040 preparing for the 41st annual convention 1107 00:45:20,950 --> 00:45:17,200 to be held june 1108 00:45:22,710 --> 00:45:20,960 to 17 on the campus of linden vermont 1109 00:45:25,510 --> 00:45:22,720 state college 1110 00:45:29,430 --> 00:45:25,520 the theme of the convention is 1111 00:45:32,630 --> 00:45:29,440 dowsing a connection to the universe 1112 00:45:33,750 --> 00:45:32,640 catchadorian says she knows that dowsing 1113 00:45:36,550 --> 00:45:33,760 works 1114 00:45:39,670 --> 00:45:36,560 and it is just one of the many things 1115 00:45:41,670 --> 00:45:39,680 science still doesn't understand 1116 00:45:43,750 --> 00:45:41,680 she compared the thinking of randy and 1117 00:45:45,670 --> 00:45:43,760 others to the old newtonian clockwork 1118 00:45:48,550 --> 00:45:45,680 view of the universe while dowsing 1119 00:45:51,430 --> 00:45:48,560 embraces the possibilities 1120 00:45:52,630 --> 00:45:51,440 and ambiguities inherent in quantum 1121 00:45:53,829 --> 00:45:52,640 mechanics 1122 00:45:55,990 --> 00:45:53,839 but in the end 1123 00:45:57,109 --> 00:45:56,000 it comes down to a matter of faith 1124 00:45:58,790 --> 00:45:57,119 by the way 1125 00:46:01,510 --> 00:45:58,800 khachadorian said 1126 00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:01,520 i don't consider myself a dowser i just 1127 00:46:03,349 --> 00:46:02,210 hold the rod 1128 00:46:04,630 --> 00:46:03,359 [Music] 1129 00:46:06,630 --> 00:46:04,640 and 1130 00:46:07,990 --> 00:46:06,640 the next accompanying picture to do with 1131 00:46:09,349 --> 00:46:08,000 this story 1132 00:46:12,550 --> 00:46:09,359 is a 1133 00:46:16,470 --> 00:46:12,560 small group of school kids 1134 00:46:19,430 --> 00:46:16,480 joe alexander and ben caffrey both nine 1135 00:46:22,470 --> 00:46:19,440 from fayetteville arkansas and cali 1136 00:46:24,950 --> 00:46:22,480 smith 11 of eureka springs arkansas 1137 00:46:27,700 --> 00:46:24,960 practice their dowsing skills during a 1138 00:46:31,670 --> 00:46:27,710 workshop for children 1139 00:46:35,750 --> 00:46:33,750 there's so much to unpack in that story 1140 00:46:37,589 --> 00:46:35,760 there really is but i don't think i need 1141 00:46:39,270 --> 00:46:37,599 to go into too many details for you i 1142 00:46:40,390 --> 00:46:39,280 think 1143 00:46:43,190 --> 00:46:40,400 you and i 1144 00:46:45,750 --> 00:46:43,200 are probably on the same page 1145 00:46:46,790 --> 00:46:45,760 where you have a modality claim like 1146 00:46:49,829 --> 00:46:46,800 dowsing 1147 00:46:52,150 --> 00:46:49,839 which fails under scientific testing 1148 00:46:53,910 --> 00:46:52,160 and the rebuttal as well of course it 1149 00:46:55,109 --> 00:46:53,920 does it doesn't work on the scientific 1150 00:46:57,430 --> 00:46:55,119 testing 1151 00:46:59,750 --> 00:46:57,440 there can't be much more of a red flag 1152 00:47:02,790 --> 00:46:59,760 than that really 1153 00:47:04,390 --> 00:47:02,800 and like many things that we discover in 1154 00:47:06,950 --> 00:47:04,400 our adventures 1155 00:47:09,670 --> 00:47:06,960 dowsing water divining divining 1156 00:47:12,230 --> 00:47:09,680 is certainly an unsinkable rubber duck 1157 00:47:15,030 --> 00:47:12,240 no matter how many times it's deflated 1158 00:47:17,270 --> 00:47:15,040 no matter how many times it fails 1159 00:47:19,510 --> 00:47:17,280 there will be people thousands of people 1160 00:47:22,230 --> 00:47:19,520 who will believe in it 1161 00:47:26,710 --> 00:47:25,430 and again that story was called thirst 1162 00:47:27,910 --> 00:47:26,720 for wisdom 1163 00:47:30,710 --> 00:47:27,920 by 1164 00:47:34,390 --> 00:47:30,720 max mccoy globe staff writer and that 1165 00:47:38,500 --> 00:47:34,400 was published on the 13th of may 2001 in 1166 00:47:42,790 --> 00:47:41,270 [Music] 1167 00:47:45,670 --> 00:47:42,800 and of course you can check out all 1168 00:47:48,069 --> 00:47:45,680 sorts of things like dancing and reports 1169 00:47:51,589 --> 00:47:48,079 on just about any topic you like here in 1170 00:47:53,510 --> 00:47:51,599 australia visit trove trove.nla.gov 1171 00:47:55,030 --> 00:47:53,520 dot a u but i'm sure no matter where you 1172 00:47:56,710 --> 00:47:55,040 are in the world 1173 00:47:58,950 --> 00:47:56,720 you'll be able to discover a local 1174 00:48:01,829 --> 00:47:58,960 archive and i'm sure you'll spend many 1175 00:48:06,730 --> 00:48:01,839 happy hours there because 1176 00:48:24,710 --> 00:48:23,030 [Music] 1177 00:48:26,710 --> 00:48:24,720 thank you for listening to the skeptic's 1178 00:48:29,829 --> 00:48:26,720 own podcast coming up on next week's 1179 00:48:32,230 --> 00:48:29,839 show i hope to bring you a a report some 1180 00:48:34,230 --> 00:48:32,240 interviews by susan gerbic who's in 1181 00:48:37,270 --> 00:48:34,240 fabulous las vegas right at the moment 1182 00:48:38,950 --> 00:48:37,280 meeting up with all my friends oh i'm so 1183 00:48:41,910 --> 00:48:38,960 envious 1184 00:48:44,309 --> 00:48:41,920 and uh they've all descended on las 1185 00:48:46,150 --> 00:48:44,319 vegas to wish ben radford a happy 1186 00:48:49,190 --> 00:48:46,160 birthday happy birthday ben radford i 1187 00:48:50,870 --> 00:48:49,200 know you listened to the show and i wish 1188 00:48:52,710 --> 00:48:50,880 i could have been there but 1189 00:48:54,630 --> 00:48:52,720 these days things like that are a little 1190 00:48:56,630 --> 00:48:54,640 bit more difficult i miss las vegas but 1191 00:48:58,710 --> 00:48:56,640 i certainly miss seeing you ben and all 1192 00:49:01,349 --> 00:48:58,720 my skeptical friends of course maybe one 1193 00:49:03,190 --> 00:49:01,359 day we'll all get together again 1194 00:49:05,510 --> 00:49:03,200 and also coming up on next week's show a 1195 00:49:08,230 --> 00:49:05,520 different trove segment 1196 00:49:11,030 --> 00:49:08,240 next week it's adrian hill 1197 00:49:13,349 --> 00:49:11,040 our wonderful reporter adrian hill will 1198 00:49:15,750 --> 00:49:13,359 be taking over the trove segment next 1199 00:49:16,790 --> 00:49:15,760 week and she'll be looking at references 1200 00:49:19,349 --> 00:49:16,800 to 1201 00:49:21,510 --> 00:49:19,359 reflex ology 1202 00:49:23,829 --> 00:49:21,520 and talking about far-fetched 1203 00:49:25,430 --> 00:49:23,839 alternative medicine we also have a 1204 00:49:28,710 --> 00:49:25,440 segment coming up next week about 1205 00:49:32,950 --> 00:49:28,720 tick-tock homeopathy 1206 00:49:34,630 --> 00:49:32,960 there's some words you don't often hear 1207 00:49:36,309 --> 00:49:34,640 put together 1208 00:49:38,309 --> 00:49:36,319 thank you to those people who continue 1209 00:49:39,589 --> 00:49:38,319 to support the show via paypal or 1210 00:49:42,230 --> 00:49:39,599 patreon 1211 00:49:45,349 --> 00:49:42,240 in a few weeks time i'll be making a 1212 00:49:48,630 --> 00:49:45,359 significant purchase here at the skeptic 1213 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richard 1228 00:50:24,829 --> 00:50:19,200 saunders 1229 00:50:29,109 --> 00:50:27,109 australia you've been listening to the 1230 00:50:30,549 --> 00:50:29,119 skeptic zone podcast 1231 00:50:33,670 --> 00:50:30,559 please visit our website at 1232 00:50:39,349 --> 00:50:36,790 for show notes contacts and to access 1233 00:50:41,510 --> 00:50:39,359 the back catalog of episodes going back 1234 00:50:43,510 --> 00:50:41,520 to 2008. 1235 00:50:46,230 --> 00:50:43,520 you can follow the skepticzone podcast 1236 00:50:48,390 --> 00:50:46,240 on twitter at skepticzone 1237 00:50:50,630 --> 00:50:48,400 visit our facebook page or leave a 1238 00:50:52,790 --> 00:50:50,640 review on itunes 1239 00:50:55,990 --> 00:50:52,800 you can also support the skeptic zone 1240 00:50:59,109 --> 00:50:56,000 via patreon or paypal the skeptic zone 1241 00:51:00,950 --> 00:50:59,119 podcast is an independent production 1242 00:51:03,270 --> 00:51:00,960 the views and opinions expressed on the 1243 00:51:05,750 --> 00:51:03,280 skeptic zone are not necessarily those 1244 00:51:07,410 --> 00:51:05,760 of australian skeptics or any other 1245 00:51:21,430 --> 00:51:07,420 skeptical organization 1246 00:51:25,270 --> 00:51:23,270 hello to everybody who listens after the 1247 00:51:27,670 --> 00:51:25,280 music for the easter egg normally we 1248 00:51:28,790 --> 00:51:27,680 roll a die and you guess which number 1249 00:51:30,630 --> 00:51:28,800 comes up 1250 00:51:32,470 --> 00:51:30,640 but a few weeks ago i did a deck of 1251 00:51:33,750 --> 00:51:32,480 cards and people say they enjoyed that 1252 00:51:36,309 --> 00:51:33,760 so i'm going to do it again in other 1253 00:51:38,470 --> 00:51:36,319 words what i'm going to do is shuffle 1254 00:51:41,510 --> 00:51:38,480 this deck of cards 1255 00:51:43,030 --> 00:51:41,520 and choose one at random and well we can 1256 00:51:45,990 --> 00:51:43,040 all guess i won't even look actually 1257 00:51:47,750 --> 00:51:46,000 i'll just shuffle them face down 1258 00:51:50,630 --> 00:51:47,760 and i'll guess along with you so shuffle 1259 00:51:52,470 --> 00:51:50,640 shuffle shuffle out of 52 cards what 1260 00:51:55,510 --> 00:51:52,480 card do you think it is you can either 1261 00:51:57,430 --> 00:51:55,520 say red or black 50 50 shot you can 1262 00:51:58,470 --> 00:51:57,440 choose a suit one out of four 1263 00:52:02,230 --> 00:51:58,480 a number 1264 00:52:06,150 --> 00:52:02,240 or the whole card in its entirety 1265 00:52:07,670 --> 00:52:06,160 lots of options so here we go 1266 00:52:08,470 --> 00:52:07,680 and you'll just have to take my word for 1267 00:52:10,870 --> 00:52:08,480 it 1268 00:52:11,829 --> 00:52:10,880 i'm much as in the dark as you are i've 1269 00:52:13,990 --> 00:52:11,839 stopped 1270 00:52:14,690 --> 00:52:14,000 top card i'm about to turn over 1271 00:52:16,069 --> 00:52:14,700 um 1272 00:52:20,630 --> 00:52:16,079 [Music] 1273 00:52:22,390 --> 00:52:20,640 three of hearts here we go and it is 1274 00:52:23,349 --> 00:52:22,400 the ten of diamonds 1275 00:52:25,349 --> 00:52:23,359 hmm 1276 00:52:27,349 --> 00:52:25,359 i got the color right i got the color 1277 00:52:28,630 --> 00:52:27,359 right back it goes into the deck all 1278 00:52:30,870 --> 00:52:28,640 right 1279 00:52:33,910 --> 00:52:30,880 shuffle shuffle shuffle 1280 00:52:34,790 --> 00:52:33,920 and stopping now 1281 00:52:37,030 --> 00:52:34,800 jack 1282 00:52:38,950 --> 00:52:37,040 of clubs that's what i'm guessing and it 1283 00:52:41,829 --> 00:52:38,960 is 1284 00:52:45,430 --> 00:52:41,839 the seven of spades okay 1285 00:52:47,030 --> 00:52:45,440 well i've got two colors right so far 1286 00:52:49,109 --> 00:52:47,040 two colors right 1287 00:52:52,910 --> 00:52:49,119 last one coming up 1288 00:52:56,710 --> 00:52:52,920 and i'm going to predict the queen of 1289 00:53:00,150 --> 00:52:56,720 spades and the card is